tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19798349.post7557052897899576711..comments2024-03-22T12:20:48.920+00:00Comments on open...: Who Can Put the "Open" in Open Science?Glyn Moodyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04436885795882611585noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19798349.post-85511564036030252332009-04-07T06:30:00.000+00:002009-04-07T06:30:00.000+00:00@Chris: Indeed. But it seems we're a long way fro...@Chris: Indeed. But it seems we're a long way from that perfect world, alas....Glyn Moodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04436885795882611585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19798349.post-18603483912167425262009-04-06T23:57:00.000+00:002009-04-06T23:57:00.000+00:00the key is "re-implementability" - the fact that y...<I>the key is "re-implementability" - the fact that you *can* reproduce the results with the given information.</I><BR/><BR/>I'd argue that the ideal situation is one where we don't have to waste time re-implementing. If you use open-source software and release your code, people can immediately build upon your work, rather than having to waste weeks or months re-implementing it before moving on.<BR/><BR/>That said, with the sad state of affairs right now, I'd settle for getting sufficient detail to do re-implementations. As anyone who's tried can attest, it's not always possible or easy.Chrishttp://www.chrisamiller.com/blog/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19798349.post-21825811707800806172009-04-06T07:09:00.000+00:002009-04-06T07:09:00.000+00:00@Cameron: I agree about the data - once we have en...@Cameron: I agree about the data - once we have enough of the right kind, then people will be free to use it with open source too, and calls to do so will be more plausible.Glyn Moodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04436885795882611585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19798349.post-9257290442979505592009-04-06T07:07:00.000+00:002009-04-06T07:07:00.000+00:00@Bill: thanks for the link - a useful discussion.@Bill: thanks for the link - a useful discussion.Glyn Moodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04436885795882611585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19798349.post-56366114982482145352009-04-05T21:08:00.000+00:002009-04-05T21:08:00.000+00:00Thanks for the link, and yes, putting together all...Thanks for the link, and yes, putting together all the twitter references was a complete pain! In the particular use case of Excel here it wasn't especially red tape, indeed it was probably used in an attempt to make things easier for people. Just in practice once you take things out of the Windows/Office environment they start to break pretty rapidly.<BR/><BR/>I think there is a more general point though which is that the data is very much the key. Once we have access to more open data (and not just research data) then more transparent analyses systems will pop up around them, probably not using OSS by default but with good intentions by people who will be sympathetic to being guided in that direction.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19798349.post-331783604673079802009-04-05T21:03:00.000+00:002009-04-05T21:03:00.000+00:00I use this link instead of the wikipedia article w...I use <A HREF="http://bjoern.brembs.net/news.php?item.499.11" REL="nofollow">this link</A> instead of the wikipedia article when explaining the Impact Factor. It contains background (including the wikipedia link), social realpolitik and a thorough but concise summary of what's wrong with the IF.Bill Hookerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00366270586730870964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19798349.post-46826931405881997302009-04-05T13:11:00.000+00:002009-04-05T13:11:00.000+00:00Because the red tape comes bundled with proprietar...Because the red tape comes bundled with proprietary software - it forces people to use closed source. The red tape could be minimal, but there could still be a simple requirement to use MS Office formats, for example.Glyn Moodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04436885795882611585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19798349.post-51579075540510542842009-04-05T13:06:00.000+00:002009-04-05T13:06:00.000+00:00You say, "...this is a social issue: the fact that...You say, "...this is a social issue: the fact that scientists are being forced by institutions to use proprietary software in order to apply for grants..." I don't see how proprietary software enters into it: the real problem seems to be red tape, which is independent of software licensing.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10151422564443672069noreply@blogger.com