tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19798349.post8978279993452788524..comments2024-03-22T12:20:48.920+00:00Comments on open...: Why Pig Flu is Better than Bird Flu: Open DataGlyn Moodyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04436885795882611585noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19798349.post-33256163394538878962010-02-17T20:38:14.082+00:002010-02-17T20:38:14.082+00:00@hans...Thank you so much for alerting me to the o...@hans...Thank you so much for alerting me to the open link to GISAID. How stupid of me! Sorry about that! I have since removed that links. <br />@all, I appreciate all the points here and when I have a moment I look forward to continuing the discourse.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00759247652912976092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19798349.post-28798320549714603492009-06-19T09:20:28.758+00:002009-06-19T09:20:28.758+00:00@hans: nicely put.@hans: nicely put.Glyn Moodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04436885795882611585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19798349.post-11631022203044692742009-06-19T09:11:55.063+00:002009-06-19T09:11:55.063+00:00hi burke
thank you for sharing your perspective. ...hi burke <br />thank you for sharing your perspective. may be you misunderstood the wish of the gisaid community and reason why they added measures of transparency on their site. they are keen on establishing an equal playing-field by making sure all its users adhere to a rather basic code of ethics that asks what many of us practice anyway, i.e. the acknowledgment of the labs that provided the sample in the first place as well as the acknowledgement of those folks that go through the trouble of isolating and sequencing the virus before they uploaded to its database. <br /><br />them asking their peers not to attach any form of restrictions is no different from what open-source rather successfully spells out for the internet. by contrast genbank & public domain databases leave data totally exposed to those that have the means to apply restrictions on the data. that's the problem that glyn pointed out.<br /><br />on another note, i'd be curious to know why you created on your website http://www.iterasi.net/public/users/burkesquires an open gateway to the gisaid database, which practically allowed the bypassing of gisaid's registration/login procedure. cheers, hansflugenomehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10781722720088741303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19798349.post-3846598562990344622009-05-21T19:22:52.305+00:002009-05-21T19:22:52.305+00:00Glyn is spot on. There are absolutely no attempts ...Glyn is spot on. There are absolutely no attempts to promote any form of scientific etiquette in databases such as GenBank, which are keen on stripping all the protection of data, while at the same time enabling those resourceful enough to attach their restrictions, thus hampering others from using the data that was actually unrestricted at the time it was deposited. That’s what placing data into the public domain (a legal definition) does. This dilemma has done little to promote data sharing especially for countries that are economically less fortunate.<br /><br />GISAID has become so incredibly successful because its mechanism does indeed prevent this form of exploitation at the expense of the whole community. And to enforce this data-sharing concept all that’s effectively asked, is for users to identify themselves to the rest of the community. <br /><br />So GISAID’s concept of equal access for all and true transparency does anything but translate into restrictions, as Ms. Squires is suggesting.Carla Del Riohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06329918157683155040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19798349.post-70794954425818221712009-05-06T18:37:00.000+00:002009-05-06T18:37:00.000+00:00@Burke: that's an interesting question.
Here's my...@Burke: that's an interesting question.<br /><br />Here's my understanding of the situation. To access the GISAID data you must agree to its terms, which include sharing your data (not quite sure of the details); to use GenBank, you don't have to agree to anything.<br /><br />So GISAID is like the GNU GPL: it's do as you would be done by. GenBank is more or less public domain.<br /><br />Now, you could argue that public domain is more open, because there are no restrictions; but equally, the GNU GPL has worked better than "weaker" licences like BSD precisely because it insists on reciprocity, which prevents people taking software closed.<br /><br />So, you might argue that the open data approach of GISAID actually achieves more, in terms of the viral effect of its licence, than GenBank does.<br /><br />YMMV....Glyn Moodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04436885795882611585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19798349.post-2419937868573045182009-05-06T18:30:00.000+00:002009-05-06T18:30:00.000+00:00Hi Glyn,
I could not agree more that open data is ...Hi Glyn,<br />I could not agree more that open data is of paramount importance, even more so in light of a global pandemic. <br />I would like to hear how to compare a system like GISAID and their implementation of "open data" as you describe (with the inherent restrictions) to GenBank, where there are absolutely no restrictions? Is not GenBank the true host of "open data?" <br />Disclaimer: I work with another flu database, the BioHealthBase (www.biohealthbase.org).Burke Squireshttp://www.biohealthbase.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19798349.post-53952454454828648872009-05-02T07:23:00.000+00:002009-05-02T07:23:00.000+00:00σωστά - couldn't agree more.σωστά - couldn't agree more.Glyn Moodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04436885795882611585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19798349.post-6485969398911450682009-05-01T22:08:00.000+00:002009-05-01T22:08:00.000+00:00Actually, I think Open Data is the only way! But o...Actually, I think Open Data is the only way! But open data it's the first step, we need open formats, and in the long free software with scientific practice.Eleftherios Kosmashttp://elkosmas.grnoreply@blogger.com