tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19798349.post8311204874637523965..comments2024-03-22T12:20:48.920+00:00Comments on open...: Xanadu and the Digital Pleasure-DomeGlyn Moodyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04436885795882611585noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19798349.post-27287684453313522512010-11-10T21:25:51.132+00:002010-11-10T21:25:51.132+00:00@hoat: interesting comparison - thanks.@hoat: interesting comparison - thanks.Glyn Moodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04436885795882611585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19798349.post-67451242919169255502010-11-10T21:20:06.741+00:002010-11-10T21:20:06.741+00:00An attempt to give publishers back a tiny, rudimen...An attempt to give publishers back a tiny, rudimentary fragment of the control they would have had with Xanadu's translusion mechanism is Tynt, the annoying Javascript service that hijacks a browser's copy+paste function. It inserts source links into the copied text, and phones home to the website owner, telling them which part of the webpage has been copied.<br /><br />http://techcrunch.com/2010/04/16/tynt-gets-8-million-for-ctrl-c-action/Hoatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19798349.post-84459626782291554742010-11-10T19:31:46.224+00:002010-11-10T19:31:46.224+00:00@joe: well, frankly what we have looks pretty amaz...@joe: well, frankly what we have looks pretty amazing to me.<br /><br />And for anyone who wants that ordered vision, perhaps I could recommend relocating to Singapore - "Disney with a death penalty" as William Gibson put it (http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/1.04/gibson.html)Glyn Moodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04436885795882611585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19798349.post-56679316128449794362010-11-10T19:29:47.243+00:002010-11-10T19:29:47.243+00:00@zooko: well, fortunately, it never got that far, ...@zooko: well, fortunately, it never got that far, but maybe DRM would have been the logical implication of transclusion...Glyn Moodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04436885795882611585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19798349.post-59392361458761955002010-11-10T19:28:24.952+00:002010-11-10T19:28:24.952+00:00@saul: thanks - I wasn't aware of that angle.@saul: thanks - I wasn't aware of that angle.Glyn Moodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04436885795882611585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19798349.post-32589589424738781002010-11-10T18:48:52.765+00:002010-11-10T18:48:52.765+00:00We have lost the stately pleasure dome.
What we ...We have lost the stately pleasure dome. <br /><br />What we have instead is the marketplace filled with stalls of all varieties, beach side cafes, dodgy burgers from mobile caravans and deluxe gourmet meals from cordon bleu restaurants. All there as you wnader through even though yuo can nexer be sure they will still be there next time you pass by.<br /><br />Now Apple is trying to create a new cathedral/pleasure dome. It will be ideal for all those who want an ordered web with no nastyness or dirt right up till the moment when it blocks that one thing they want to see.Filceolairehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11115008796905710763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19798349.post-20304601528717606122010-11-10T18:45:49.704+00:002010-11-10T18:45:49.704+00:00> Xanadu's all-knowing transclusion would a...> Xanadu's all-knowing transclusion would allow copyright holders to track down every single use of their content - and to block it just as easily.<br /><br />I don't mean to be rude, but I don't think that makes sense. Without ubiquitous Digital Restrictions Management, the above is impossible to enforce.<br /><br />Xanadu's transclusion could at most only be an additional option for how to re-use content, in addition to the inevitable option of copying the content.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17046522562803939443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19798349.post-80255323143494335682010-11-10T17:26:20.900+00:002010-11-10T17:26:20.900+00:00Another disconcerting component of the Xanadu syst...Another disconcerting component of the Xanadu system was that it was reliant upon authenticated sources and strongly advocated the argument for <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing" rel="nofollow">Trusted Computing</a>. <br /><br />While the brilliant minds behind Xanadu were most assuredly well-intentioned, the U.S. government was still struggling with the rapid advancement in computing technology and it is indeed fortunate that many of the concepts that were being presented in the name of progress were never adopted. If I recall correctly, many of the leaders in Project Xanadu were relatively permanent consultants of the government and it was during this time that measures such as restrictions on encryption, registration of systems and users, and certification of programmers were being heavily promoted by the dominant players (IBM, Intel, Microsoft, HP, etc). <br /><br />Imagine a world were all communication between citizens could be monitored by the government, where one could only do with a computer that which a corporation permitted, where the only people who were allowed to write programs were certified by the government (subject to revocation should they "misbehave").<br /><br />Some poor decisions have been made in the past with regard to governance of our evolving digital society, but we've also been able to, whether through serendipity or design, avoid some fairly ominous alternatives.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com